Daria by Numbers - '03s

Subject: The 03 episodes.
Name: A.J.
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.240.222.32
Email: AJ1021@webtv.net

It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....

103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:

Brittany: Shut up, naked boy!

Quinn: Dream on naked boy!

Jane: So does that mean these are the best years of our lives?

Daria: I hope not.

<Pan to Quinn and the college prep teacher>

Quinn: I should've known Daria was right about that making out scholarship! <Throws her drink in his face>

Daria: But you have to admit, it does have it's moments.

Quinn's scene with Ramona, and her scene where she tries to get the frat guys to play her 1, 2, zoom game, and Helen scene with the kid wanting to raise her underwear up the flagpole were all funny. Good solid episode, but not a standout.

203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.

Daria's transformation scene was one for the books. The whole Jane/Quinn Pavlov exchange was hilarious. Jake's explanation of his call to "Moviephone" And Quinn's essay itself, funny good episode all around.

303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.

2 lines even remotely funny from this episode:

Quinn's Ewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a shower! after seeing her parents on the couch

Daria's Trent? Oooh! after Cupid does that trick on her (Thanks for reminding me of that one, Um)

That's all folks, I guess you can tell which side of this I'm on, as if you couldn't :-)

403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:

Kevin: Oh yeah? King me! King me! King me!

Kevin's speech to the kids about his accident.

The cheerleader scenes in the bathroom where they think the ghost of Tommy Sherman is out to haunt them, and the subsequent "exorcism" scene.

I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.

503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:

Daria and Jane's numerous terms for money, they came up with more than I knew there were.

Stacy and Tiffany's attemts to get the 3 J's to talk style.

Daria: ....Jocks on Frocks, sound like a FC meeting to me.

Quinn's sppech to Stacy and Tiffany when she explains she's resigning from the FC aong with Sandi.

Daria and Jane's attempts to manipulate Quinn's actions.

Jane's sigh of frustration as Sandi shows up at school and the FC is restored, thus making her lose her bet.

Excellent episode in so many ways.

My favorite of this group: Fat Like Me.

Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, and DTAH.

A.J.

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: TeekiJane
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 136.176.200.202
Email: teekijane@excite.com

Haven't seen enough of these episodes to rank them. Just a few comments scattered here and there.

>
>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>

[snip]

>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.
>
>2 lines even remotely funny from this episode:
>
>Quinn's Ewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a shower! after seeing her parents on the couch
>
>Daria's Trent? Oooh! after Cupid does that trick on her (Thanks for reminding me of that one, Um)
>
>That's all folks, I guess you can tell which side of this I'm on, as if you couldn't :-)

Come on...you didn't find the soccer riot comment even the littlest bit funny? I'm not trying to sway you over to enjoying this episode--for most people, it would be easier to convince an elephant that he's an airplane--but you do have to admit there were a couple other funny moments....

Daria: My imaginary friend fell down.
Quinn: God, Daria, even your imaginary friends are embarrassing.

>
>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:
>
>Kevin: Oh yeah? King me! King me! King me!
>
>Kevin's speech to the kids about his accident.
>
>The cheerleader scenes in the bathroom where they think the ghost of Tommy Sherman is out to haunt them, and the subsequent "exorcism" scene.
>
>I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.

Me too. And I shudder to think about Kevin drinking Yoohoo.
>
>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:
>
>Daria and Jane's numerous terms for money, they came up with more than I knew there were.
>
>Stacy and Tiffany's attemts to get the 3 J's to talk style.
>
>Daria: ....Jocks on Frocks, sound like a FC meeting to me.
>
>Quinn's sppech to Stacy and Tiffany when she explains she's resigning from the FC aong with Sandi.
>
>Daria and Jane's attempts to manipulate Quinn's actions.
>
>Jane's sigh of frustration as Sandi shows up at school and the FC is restored, thus making her lose her bet.
>
>Excellent episode in so many ways.
>
Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I LOVE Stacy's explosion when she quits the club.

>My favorite of this group: Fat Like Me.
>
>Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, and DTAH.
>

>A.J.
>
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>Tom/Jake/Jeffy: Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!...
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>

I could be doing something productive now, but why would I want to do that?

"I'm going to hunt that boy down and do dirty things to him. But first, some ice cream." --Zee (zeesayssmeow@yahoo.com)

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: renfield1969
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.23.181.99
Email: entropysedge@earthlink.net
Link: http://www.entropysedge.net

>
>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>
>103- "College Bored"

A really good episode, for all the reasons you listed.

My favorite line (paraphrased, I think) : Daria - "How come even in my daydreams everyone's a jerk?"
>
>203- "Quinn the Brain"

A standout episode, if merely for the transformation scene at the end. I really liked the exchange between Quinn and Jane:

Quinn - "I really like how this is affecting Daria, but I'm starting to feel like a phony."

Jane - "Starting?"

>
>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday"

Line for line, the funniest and most original episode they've ever done. Favorite lines:

Guy Fawkes Day - "Irish tosser!"

St. Pat's Day - "English wanker!"

Cupid - "Soccer riot!"

Daria - "Where's Holiday Island?"

Cupid - "We're supposed to say 'In your heart', but really it's through an interdimensional wormhole behind the Good Time Chinese Restaurant."

Daria - "There's a Good Time Restaurant here, too?"

Cupid - "It's a chain."

Daria - "Who are all these kids?"

Cupid - "A bunch of Saints Days. Who can keep track?"

>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale"

What a lousy episode. Not only was the entire town supposedly affected by the status of the high school football team, but for some reason Daria, Jane and Tom all showed up at a game? Please.
>
>503- "Fat Like Me"

An okay episode, but the idea wasn't pursued as well as it could have been.

My favorite of this group: Depth Takes A Holiday.

Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, Fat Like Me, and A Tree Grows in Lawndale.

-Renfield

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Dennis
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 24.60.147.22
Email: den@monger.net

>
>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>
>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:

[lines]

I *like* College Bored. Like you said, "a good solid episode."
Not one that for the books, but one that I smile when I think
about and laugh at all the jokes after repeat viewing.

>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone
>considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it
>makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the
>notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This
>s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we
>know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.
>
>Daria's transformation scene was one for the books. The whole Jane/Quinn Pavlov exchange was hilarious. Jake's explanation of his call to "Moviephone" And Quinn's essay itself, funny good episode all around.

QtB is a classic. Just about every scene works really well.
The mirror attempts of the FC and the three Js to talk to Daria
are hysterical, as are the lines when the three Js come to the
door for Daria.

Jake: Quinn, your dates are here.

Joey: Actually, we're here to ask Daria out.

Jeffy: You know. Your other daughter.

Jamie: By the way, how's Quinn?

Joey: Shut UP, Jamie!

>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which
>shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones.
>Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you
>either like it or don't. There seems to be absolutely no middle
>ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications,
>interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there
>seem on canon when compared to that.

[Stuff about tDaH]

I dunno. I can see why DTaH annoys people: It's as out of
place as Maude Flanders' death on _The Simpsons._ It doesn't
fit with the concept at all, and doesn't even have the bad
excuse of a framing device like _Murder, She Snored_, or
_Legends of the Mall._

OTOH, I find it very funny and there's some nice 'shipper action.
You can see Trent's respect for Daria grow by leaps and bounds
in this episode. Like allmusic.com says of Pete Townshend's
_All the Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes_: Any [episode] that
has that much of a polarizing effect is worth a [viewing].

>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:

[funny? moments]

Now THIS is an episode that should not be named. "A Tree Grows
in Lawndale" sucks rocks. There's nothing especially funny
about it. As far as I'm concerned, the only merit this ep.
has is continuity points for mentioning Tommy Sherman.

>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've
>been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for
>her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of
>Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was
>absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome
>of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice >of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone
>shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many
>great lines:
>
[great lines]

>Quinn's sppech to Stacy and Tiffany when she explains she's
>resigning from the FC aong with Sandi.

Along with her pep talk to Sandi at the pool.

And "Quinn, my life is over." "Oh, Sandi, you're not thirty."

Daria and Jane's presence seemed mostly superfluous, though,
for once it worked. They were funny when they were onscreen,
and they moved the plot. Tiffany's FC meetings were painful
(and fun) to watch, especially the one with the three Js.

(You surpise them by looking really hoooooot.)

>Excellent episode in so many ways.

Yes, FLM was one of the two best of the fiften season and
one of the ten best of the series' run.

>My favorite of this group: Fat Like Me.
>
>Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, and DTAH.

For me: FLM, edges out QtB, followed by College Bored, DtaH,
and finally trailing along like a broken down old nag or
the Cincinatti Bengals, aTGiL.

-Dennis

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: um
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.152.156.90
Email: umeruh0000@aol.com
Link: http://www.geocities.com/dvdaria

>OTOH, I find it very funny and there's some nice 'shipper action.
>You can see Trent's respect for Daria grow by leaps and bounds
>in this episode. Like allmusic.com says of Pete Townshend's
>_All the Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes_: Any [episode] that
>has that much of a polarizing effect is worth a [viewing].
>
Exactly. Such an apt comparison. Good album, too.
Um
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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: D. T. Dey
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 63.215.220.177
Email: ddey65@yahoo.com

>
>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>
>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:
>
>Brittany: Shut up, naked boy!
>
>Quinn: Dream on naked boy!
>

Over at the MTV board, some people think this and a muscle poster on Kevin's wall proves he's a closet homosexual. I'm going to go there and tell them it was just a fraternal initiation, which also explains the who his "bigger brothers" were.

>Quinn's scene with Ramona, and her scene where she tries to get the frat guys to play her 1, 2, zoom game, and Helen scene with the kid wanting to raise her underwear up the flagpole were all funny. Good solid episode, but not a standout.
>
How do they know Susan, Doug and Ramona in the first place? There's another question we'll never know the answer to.

>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.
>
>Daria's transformation scene was one for the books. The whole Jane/Quinn Pavlov exchange was hilarious. Jake's explanation of his call to "Moviephone" And Quinn's essay itself, funny good episode all around.
>
I always thought Daria was attractive, but I still say she should've gone out with Joey & Jeffy while Quinn dates Jamie. That would've been amusing to watch.

>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.
>
>2 lines even remotely funny from this episode:
>
>Quinn's Ewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a shower! after seeing her parents on the couch
>
>Daria's Trent? Oooh! after Cupid does that trick on her (Thanks for reminding me of that one, Um)
>
>That's all folks, I guess you can tell which side of this I'm on, as if you couldn't :-)
>
As much as I understand your reasons for hating it, I still like it. Is it far-fetched? Definitley, but so was "Daria!"(#307), and a lot of people like that episode better. I still find it amusing. One thing I like about it was the twists on both holiday traditions as well as TV cliches.

>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:
>
>Kevin: Oh yeah? King me! King me! King me!
>
>Kevin's speech to the kids about his accident.
>
I like how he bragged to the class about how those lectures made him such a hero.

Brittany(dreamy): "He'd be such a wonderful father."

Daria: "Of a coconut."

>The cheerleader scenes in the bathroom where they think the ghost of Tommy Sherman is out to haunt them, and the subsequent "exorcism" scene.
>
Not to mention Mr. O'Neill's shakiness over rumors of ghosts and exorcisms, and Jane's reply.

Jane: "Hey, wanna see me twist my head around and around and around?"

>I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.
>
I think it's a worm of some sort. Perhaps a "Barney" type of character. Instead of a purple dinosaur hosting a kid's show, you've got a purple worm.

>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:
>
>Daria and Jane's numerous terms for money, they came up with more than I knew there were.
>
>Stacy and Tiffany's attemts to get the 3 J's to talk style.
>
>Daria: ....Jocks on Frocks, sound like a FC meeting to me.
>
>Quinn's sppech to Stacy and Tiffany when she explains she's resigning from the FC aong with Sandi.
>
>Daria and Jane's attempts to manipulate Quinn's actions.
>
>Jane's sigh of frustration as Sandi shows up at school and the FC is restored, thus making her lose her bet.
>
>Excellent episode in so many ways.
>
Remember when we thought it was the best episode ever? Well, it's still in the top ten.

>My favorite of this group: Fat Like Me.
>
>Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, and DTAH.
>
>A.J.
>
For me, Quinn the Brain, Depth Takes a Holiday, A Tree Grows in Lawndale and College Bored. Why? Too many unanswered questions in #103. That and the hint that "these" are the best years of their lives.

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My boots send a clear message: "I can kick you."
---Daria Morgendorffer in an interview with
Women’s Wear Daily, June 1998.
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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: A.J.
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.240.222.132
Email: AJ1021@webtv.net

>
>
>>
>>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>>
>>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:
>>
>>Brittany: Shut up, naked boy!
>>
>>Quinn: Dream on naked boy!
>>
>
>
>Over at the MTV board, some people think this and a muscle poster on Kevin's wall proves he's a closet homosexual. I'm going to go there and tell them it was just a fraternal initiation, which also explains the who his "bigger brothers" were.
>
>
>>Quinn's scene with Ramona, and her scene where she tries to get the frat guys to play her 1, 2, zoom game, and Helen scene with the kid wanting to raise her underwear up the flagpole were all funny. Good solid episode, but not a standout.
>>
>How do they know Susan, Doug and Ramona in the first place? There's another question we'll never know the answer to.

My theory, even though it's not mentioned, Doug could be Jake's brother from "Jake of Hearts"

>>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.
>>
>>Daria's transformation scene was one for the books. The whole Jane/Quinn Pavlov exchange was hilarious. Jake's explanation of his call to "Moviephone" And Quinn's essay itself, funny good episode all around.
>>
>I always thought Daria was attractive, but I still say she should've gone out with Joey & Jeffy while Quinn dates Jamie. That would've been amusing to watch.

Heh.

>>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.
>>
>>2 lines even remotely funny from this episode:
>>
>>Quinn's Ewwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!! I need a shower! after seeing her parents on the couch
>>
>>Daria's Trent? Oooh! after Cupid does that trick on her (Thanks for reminding me of that one, Um)
>>
>>That's all folks, I guess you can tell which side of this I'm on, as if you couldn't :-)
>>
>As much as I understand your reasons for hating it, I still like it. Is it far-fetched? Definitley, but so was "Daria!"(#307), and a lot of people like that episode better. I still find it amusing. One thing I like about it was the twists on both holiday traditions as well as TV cliches.

Daria! was amusing, this wasn't.

>
>>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:
>>
>>Kevin: Oh yeah? King me! King me! King me!
>>
>>Kevin's speech to the kids about his accident.
>>
>I like how he bragged to the class about how those lectures made him such a hero.
>
>Brittany(dreamy): "He'd be such a wonderful father."
>
>Daria: "Of a coconut."

How did I forget that line? LOL!

>>The cheerleader scenes in the bathroom where they think the ghost of Tommy Sherman is out to haunt them, and the subsequent "exorcism" scene.
>>
>Not to mention Mr. O'Neill's shakiness over rumors of ghosts and exorcisms, and Jane's reply.
>
>Jane: "Hey, wanna see me twist my head around and around and around?"
>
>
>
>>I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.
>>
>I think it's a worm of some sort. Perhaps a "Barney" type of character. Instead of a purple dinosaur hosting a kid's show, you've got a purple worm.

Okayyyyyyyy.........

>>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:
>>
>>Daria and Jane's numerous terms for money, they came up with more than I knew there were.
>>
>>Stacy and Tiffany's attemts to get the 3 J's to talk style.
>>
>>Daria: ....Jocks on Frocks, sound like a FC meeting to me.
>>
>>Quinn's sppech to Stacy and Tiffany when she explains she's resigning from the FC aong with Sandi.
>>
>>Daria and Jane's attempts to manipulate Quinn's actions.
>>
>>Jane's sigh of frustration as Sandi shows up at school and the FC is restored, thus making her lose her bet.
>>
>>Excellent episode in so many ways.
>>
>Remember when we thought it was the best episode ever? Well, it's still in the top ten.

Easily.

A.J.

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Tom/Jake/Jeffy: Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!...
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Subject: 103 & 403.
Name: D. T. Dey
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 63.208.207.204
Email: ddey65@yahoo.com

>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>>>
>>>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all.

[snip]
>>
>>>Quinn's scene with Ramona, and her scene where she tries to get the frat guys to play her 1, 2, zoom game, and Helen scene with the kid wanting to raise her underwear up the flagpole were all funny. Good solid episode, but not a standout.
>>>
>>How do they know Susan, Doug and Ramona in the first place? There's another question we'll never know the answer to.
>
>My theory, even though it's not mentioned, Doug could be Jake's brother from "Jake of Hearts"
>
I've considered that possibility myself.

>>
>>>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep.

[snip]

>>
>>
>>>I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.
>>>
>>I think it's a worm of some sort. Perhaps a "Barney" type of character. Instead of a purple dinosaur hosting a kid's show, you've got a purple worm.
>
>Okayyyyyyyy.........
>
What's so crazy about that? How do you know that in the Daria universe, there isn't some local PBS station with a purple *worm* instead of a dinosaur who's got a big marketing conglomerate and an opening catchphrase like "Hi Ya, Kids!" Like we see on Kevin's t-shirt? Come to think of it, maybe *that* was the "little cartoon loser" on Stacy's wriswatch that Sandi chewed her out over in "The F-Word."

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My boots send a clear message: "I can kick you."
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Subject: Re: 103 & 403.
Name: Shallow15
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.63.28.12

>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm still trying to figure oue what that thing n Kevin's shirt was supposed to be. So-so ep.
>>>>
>>
>What's so crazy about that? How do you know that in the Daria universe, there isn't some local PBS station with a purple *worm* instead of a dinosaur who's got a big marketing conglomerate and an opening catchphrase like "Hi Ya, Kids!" Like we see on Kevin's t-shirt? Come to think of it, maybe *that* was the "little cartoon loser" on Stacy's wriswatch that Sandi chewed her out over in "The F-Word."
>

I always thought it looked like a mutated version of Grover from "Sesame Street."

--Erin M.

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Robert Nowall
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 205.188.192.46
Email: RobtNowall@aol.com

Well, of the bunch, "Fat Like Me" is the clear favorite, followed by "Quinn the Brain," "Depth Takes a Holiday," (which I liked), and "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" (which I also liked). "College Bored" was no turkey, but it didn't please me the way the others did.

"Fat Like Me" showed so much of the relationships between the Fashion Clubbers...that when Sandi was removed from events, the others related to each other as friends...that Quinn does think of herself as Sandi's friend, and that Sandi seems surprised by it...that Stacy has a brain...and that somebody could push Stacy too far. (I also liked it because I partially anticipated part of the plot in one of my fanfics.)

"Quinn the Brain" showed that Daria could give Quinn a run for her money if she was truly motivated...and that Quinn could do the same for Daria.

I liked the Spirits of the Holidays in "Depth Takes a Holiday," (must've, 'cause I used St. Pat's in another fanfic). They certainly seemed smarter than most of the people 'round Lawndale, even the ones in the band. And then there was "Soccer riot!"

"A Tree Grows in Lawndale" actually had Kevin take off his football uniform---anything that managed that feat is okay in my book. Wasn't that the one that had the new football player, who couldn't get anybody to play by his rules? And the final shot, just as fantastic as anything in "Depth Takes a Holiday"...

>It's that time again. We'll look at the episodes whose #'s end in 03. Discuss, pick your favorite, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
>
>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all.

Strong S1 episode, with lotsa laughs. This episode marked the beginnings of Jake and Helen having any kind of deeply defined characters of all, so it's important from that standpoint. Also marked some of the first evidence of Daria's superhuman intelligence. Interestingly, Quinn's ability at drinking games adds credence to certain IICY rumors that have flown about.... It's also interesting that, at what -- 14? -- Quinn's vision of a perfect life is to be the coolest sorority sister at the kegger. Eeeww.

It's funny that they haven't done more to exploit the "Quinn is a bad girl" angle throughout the series. Was it discretion? Edicts from Standards and Practices? Or just the difficulty in balancing her being a wild kid against the nearly puritanical sexual morals of The Fashion Club?
>
>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.

Another episode important to the exploration of Quinn and Daria's characters. We see that Daria could be Quinn, and even Quinn, Daria. The ladies are really, at base, not that different, which make sense, them being sisters and all. The difference is their reaction to the madness of family, school, being a teenager -- embracing the way things are and warping circumstances to your benefit, or rejecting the way things are and warping circumstances to your benefit.

Daria's existentialist moments in the face of Quinn adopting significant portions of her persona indicate that she sees herself as the underdog, even a loser -- which flies in the face of the S1 fan's concept of Daria Triumphant, the Joan of Arc of teenaged life. In her honest moments, we see that she feels that she has nothing but her shield of intellectual cynicism, and the worst thing that could happen is her sister co-opting that pose. Later, we see Quinn's moment of self-doubt in IIFY, as she stares into the abyss of what her superficial lifestyle is all about. Interestingly, Quinn is about the same age then as Daria is in this episode.

No one could have seen Daria's transformation coming, which is what makes this episode so great. Undermining the audience's expectations of what Daria would do was a masterstroke. The moment when she announces to Jane that she knows how to solve her problem had all the grim determination of Teller and Oppenheimer watching the first A-Bomb experiment: She knew that what would happen next would be effective, but she didn't know whether or not it would cause the oxygen in the atmosphere to combust.

As Frank Zappa said, "You Are What You Is." Quinn could front, but it couldn't last even if she wanted it to.
>
>Daria's transformation scene was one for the books.

"Wanna buy me a soda? Oh, God..."
>
>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.

Why is this episode important?

1. This was the Daria staff tweaking the fans, especially those who hang on every bit of data and blow them up into fanfiction epics, then argue about them.

"Oh, so you've developed a canon, you sad lot? Well, EAT THIS!"

I'm sure they had quite a laugh. And under the rules of the game, this IS canon. They could set IICY on Holiday Island, if they felt like it. It's only too bad that the fan reaction probably did in any future exploration of this alternative universe.

Remember when Ritchie Cunningham met Mork from Ork? When Fred and Barney met Kazoo? When J.R.'s murder turned out to be part of a year-long dream? Jeezly pete, friend and neighbors...IT'S ONLY A TELEVISION SHOW!!!!

2. Daria is forced to say, out loud, what everyone else who cares knows -- she's got a crush on Trent. Thank God Jane wasn't around. The only place to go from here, of course, was Lane Miserables, and Daria's further self-admission that Trent was never gonna happen for her.

One can't dismiss the episode out of hand when such an important character point occurs.
>
Is it the best episode? Not by far. Is it the worst? Only if you let yourself get your panties in a twist over having an orderly Daria universe. Life's too short.
>
>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic.

DING DING DING DING! That's why this episode stinks. But the very fact that its a (the?) Kevin episode makes it stink even harder.

I'd have been happier if Kevin's hard luck had meant a real character change for him, but of course, it didn't. We need that bonehead jock charaicature. So why bother?

You can always tell it's going to be a bad ep when you don't care how it ends.
>
>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons.

"Quinn is a Human, Part Two. "

>Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless.

Stacy's scene in the bathroom chewing Tiffany a new one (down, boys) was very entertaining.

>Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be.

"Jane - Wait. Clams?"

Not a bad running gag, all the euphamisms for money.

>Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny.

"Jake - Sometimes a man just wants a hunk of bloody red steak!"

Of course, every right-thinking male thought Sandi looked better with the extra chunkage.
>

>My favorite of this group: Fat Like Me.
>
>Followed by Quinn the Brain, College Bored, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, and DTAH.
>
My choices: Quinn the Brain, Fat Like Me, Death Takes a Holiday, College Bored and A Tree Grows in Lawndale

Um
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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: TeekiJane
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 136.176.200.201
Email: teekijane@excite.com

>When J.R.'s murder turned out to be part of a year-long dream?

Can't believe I'm even going here...but I'm a giant stickler for accuracy in some fields....

It was J.R's brother, Bobby, whose murder was a dream. What's sad is that I didn't watch the show--my parent's weren't even married yet when it debuted, and too young to stay up and watch it during it's heyday. (Heck, I wasn't born yet when J.R. was shot)

Gotta run to the store and get me a life. I hear them things is pretty neat.

I could be doing something productive now, but why would I want to do that?

"I'm going to hunt that boy down and do dirty things to him. But first, some ice cream." --Zee (zeesayssmeow@yahoo.com)

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Subject: Okay, fine, whatever. :-)
Name: um
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.152.156.90
Email: umeruh0000@aol.com
Link: http://www.geocities.com/dvdaria

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: A.J.
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.240.222.132
Email: AJ1021@webtv.net

>>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.
>
>Why is this episode important?
>
>1. This was the Daria staff tweaking the fans, especially those who hang on every bit of data and blow them up into fanfiction epics, then argue about them.
>
>"Oh, so you've developed a canon, you sad lot? Well, EAT THIS!"
>
>I'm sure they had quite a laugh. And under the rules of the game, this IS canon. They could set IICY on Holiday Island, if they felt like it. It's only too bad that the fan reaction probably did in any future exploration of this alternative universe.
>
>Remember when Ritchie Cunningham met Mork from Ork? When Fred and Barney met Kazoo? When J.R.'s murder turned out to be part of a year-long dream? Jeezly pete, friend and neighbors...IT'S ONLY A TELEVISION SHOW!!!!

That's not a problem at all. I liked all of the other "unrealistic" eps, Daria!, "Murder, She Snored", even "Legends of the Mall" had some good points. DTAH does have an interesting concept, but falls flat on its face when they go ahead with it. Yes, the more realistic portion of this ep, Quinn trying to prevent Helen and Jake from having another baby is the better part. While it offered a very unique interpretation of the holiday spirits, a teenaged X-Mas? It lacked in execution.

>2. Daria is forced to say, out loud, what everyone else who cares knows -- she's got a crush on Trent. Thank God Jane wasn't around. The only place to go from here, of course, was Lane Miserables, and Daria's further self-admission that Trent was never gonna happen for her.
>
>One can't dismiss the episode out of hand when such an important character point occurs.

I didn't, it was half of the good parts of this episode, and the only worthwhile thing I see to come out of it in terms of character development.

>Is it the best episode? Not by far. Is it the worst? Only if you let yourself get your panties in a twist over having an orderly Daria universe. Life's too short.

Like someone else said this ep just seems out of place with the rest of the series. It fails to belong with the rest of the eps. It would've been a good follow up to the F Word. Is it part of the Daria Universe? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Was it a dream without the framing device of one? Probably, but we'll never know for certain. I liked all of the other so-called "unrealistic" eps but this one, so it's not anything against all of them, but a poorly done episode, that had a different concept, but couldn't execute it properly, IMO.

A.J.

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Tom/Jake/Jeffy: Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!...
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Subject: Fair enough.
Name: um
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.105.47
Email: umeruh0000@aol.com
Link: http://www.geocities.com/dvdaria

>>
>>Remember when Ritchie Cunningham met Mork from Ork? When Fred and Barney met Kazoo? When J.R.'s murder turned out to be part of a year-long dream? Jeezly pete, friend and neighbors...IT'S ONLY A TELEVISION SHOW!!!!
>
>That's not a problem at all. I liked all of the other "unrealistic" eps, Daria!, "Murder, She Snored", even "Legends of the Mall" had some good points. DTAH does have an interesting concept, but falls flat on its face when they go ahead with it.

I accept that...the third act is a waste of time, indeed.

>Yes, the more realistic portion of this ep, Quinn trying to prevent Helen and Jake from having another baby is the better part.

I thought it was dopey, but what the hey.

>While it offered a very unique interpretation of the holiday spirits, a teenaged X-Mas? It lacked in execution.

Clearly, you missed that Rankin-Bass Christmas cartoon with the Freeze Meister and the Heat Meister, which told the story of Santa from boyhood up. :-) He had to be a teenager at some point.

Cartoon writers' reach should exceed their grasp, or what's a heaven for?
>
>>2. Daria is forced to say, out loud, what everyone else who cares knows -- she's got a crush on Trent. Thank God Jane wasn't around. The only place to go from here, of course, was Lane Miserables, and Daria's further self-admission that Trent was never gonna happen for her.
>>
>>One can't dismiss the episode out of hand when such an important character point occurs.
>
>I didn't, it was half of the good parts of this episode, and the only worthwhile thing I see to come out of it in terms of character development.

Okay, fine. I guess that was not so much for you as for those who want to fly to New York, pull the master tape from the vaults, douse it with gasoline and do the happy dance over the smouldering remains.
>
>>Is it the best episode? Not by far. Is it the worst? Only if you let yourself get your panties in a twist over having an orderly Daria universe. Life's too short.
>
>Like someone else said this ep just seems out of place with the rest of the series. It fails to belong with the rest of the eps. It would've been a good follow up to the F Word. Is it part of the Daria Universe? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Was it a dream without the framing device of one? Probably, but we'll never know for certain. I liked all of the other so-called "unrealistic" eps but this one, so it's not anything against all of them, but a poorly done episode, that had a different concept, but couldn't execute it properly, IMO.

I guess I just have a taste for the bizzare...I like it when a series tries something that runs completely contrary to expectations.

DTAH, or Of Human Bonding? Or The Lawndale File? Or Just Add Water? I think you know the answer.

Bollocks!

Um
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Subject: We're not up to the 10 episodes yet(j/k)
Name: D. T. Dey
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 63.208.207.204
Email: ddey65@yahoo.com

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Subject: Re: Fair enough.
Name: Bobby Bickert
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 205.188.199.31
Email: BickertPT@cs.com

>>While it offered a very unique interpretation of the holiday spirits, a teenaged X-Mas? It lacked in execution.
>
>Clearly, you missed that Rankin-Bass Christmas cartoon with the Freeze Meister and the Heat Meister, which told the story of Santa from boyhood up. :-) He had to be a teenager at some point.

The Mizer Brothers were in a different Rankin-Bass Christmas special, "The Year Without A Santa Claus". The one about Santa's life was "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town", whose villain was the Burgermeister Meisterburger.

On a related note, has anyone else seen the commercial for the computer-animated "sequel" to the Rankin-Bass "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer"? That is just WRONG.

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Subject: I sit corrected. Damn aluminium cookware.
Name: um
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 205.188.199.162
Email: umeruh0000@aol.com
Link: http://www.geocities.com/dvdaria

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Subject: <Tiffany>That is sooooo wrong</Tiffany>
Name: TeekiJane
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 136.176.200.202
Email: teekijane@excite.com

I agree completely. Why must everything now adays have a sequel? Most of them don't compare to the first, and in those occasions in which they do (Toy Story 2 and American Pie 2, the latter of which I'm viewing tonight, come to mind) there's always a push for a third.

I'll accept sequels to teen movies (I'm still waiting for the Breakfast Club 2, darn it!) but I think it's really sad when we start taking classic movies and even Christmas specials and making sequels. The key word is CLASSIC, which in my mind equals DO NOT TOUCH.
>

I could be doing something productive now, but why would I want to do that?

"I'm going to hunt that boy down and do dirty things to him. But first, some ice cream." --Zee (zeesayssmeow@yahoo.com)

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Subject: Re: Fair enough.
Name: Robert Nowall
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 152.163.195.207
Email: RobtNowall@aol.com

>
> On a related note, has anyone else seen the commercial for the computer-animated "sequel" to the Rankin-Bass "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer"? That is just WRONG.
>

Yeah, I saw the ad...now, I'm no fan of the original, but making a CGI "sequel" to a puppetry-original seems, as somebody already said, "*sooooo* wrong."

On top of that, there's already *been* a sequel to it: it was called "Rudolph's Shiny New Year," and I believe it was done sometime in the early seventies...

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Shallow15
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.63.28.12

>
>>>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday"

Here's what I think is the main problem...Unlike MSS, LOTM, or WHIH, this is a fantasy episode that doesn't tell us whether or not this "actually" happened. "Daria!" can be accepted as something that happened because the fantasy element was so damn outlandish it could easily be discounted, while the actual plot was grounded in "reality."

In the case of DTAH, however, we didn't have any such basis in "reality" and the fantasy element was never satisfactorily explained. I kept waiting to see if it was a dream or some story that Daria wrote. But the end of the episode came and my former wife and I looked at each other and came to the same conclusion: The writer's had gone insane.

I postulate that this ep would have been more satisfactorily received if there was some kind of assurance as to whether or not the events of DTAH "happened" or not.

--Erin M.
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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Dennis
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 24.60.147.22
Email: den@monger.net

>
>
>>
>>>>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday"

>In the case of DTAH, however, we didn't have any such basis in "reality" and the fantasy element was never satisfactorily explained. I kept waiting to see if it was a dream or some story that Daria wrote. But the end of the episode came and my former wife and I looked at each other and came to the same conclusion: The writer's had gone insane.

Based on a guest column Chris Marcil wrote for Rob Neyer,
my favorite baseball columnist, your conclusion is flawed, but
only in that they were insane to begin with.

>I postulate that this ep would have been more satisfactorily received if there was some kind of assurance as to whether or not the events of DTAH "happened" or not.

Which is likely exactly why there wasn't.

-Dennis

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Steven Galloway
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.105.171
Email: SGall23241@aol.com

>Like someone else said this ep just seems out of place with the rest of the series. It fails to belong with the rest of the eps. It would've been a good follow up to the F Word. Is it part of the Daria Universe? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Was it a dream without the framing device of one? Probably, but we'll never know for certain. I liked all of the other so-called "unrealistic" eps but this one, so it's not anything against all of them, but a poorly done episode, that had a different concept, but couldn't execute it properly, IMO.

And that's the one thing about "DTAH" to me: I think if the writers simply just had Daria wake up at the end of it in her room in the middle of the night and said something like, "No more Good Times Chinese food for this gal before bed.", then suddenly plopped back on her pillow (then to fade out), this ep would've been even better, maybe even in the top ten(?). Perhaps the writers took in the controversy about it from us when they did "Murder She Snored"--? I really believe they did that. Thanks.

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Robert Nowall
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.101.178
Email: RobtNowall@aol.com

>
>
>>Like someone else said this ep just seems out of place with the rest of the series. It fails to belong with the rest of the eps. It would've been a good follow up to the F Word. Is it part of the Daria Universe? Yes. Is it canon? Yes. Was it a dream without the framing device of one? Probably, but we'll never know for certain. I liked all of the other so-called "unrealistic" eps but this one, so it's not anything against all of them, but a poorly done episode, that had a different concept, but couldn't execute it properly, IMO.
>
>And that's the one thing about "DTAH" to me: I think if the writers simply just had Daria wake up at the end of it in her room in the middle of the night and said something like, "No more Good Times Chinese food for this gal before bed.", then suddenly plopped back on her pillow (then to fade out), this ep would've been even better, maybe even in the top ten(?). Perhaps the writers took in the controversy about it from us when they did "Murder She Snored"--? I really believe they did that. Thanks.

Well, "Murder She Snored" was, in my view, the only real clunker among *all* the "Daria" episodes I've seen. If, say, "Death Takes a Holiday" had been done with the framing device of "Murder She Snored," it'd have been worse than it was. And I liked it just fine.

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Subject: Oops! should be "Depth."
Name: Robert Nowall
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.101.178
Email: RobtNowall@aol.com

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Subject: 01, 02, and 03 (I'm catching up)
Name: MikeYamiolkoski
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 172.152.249.215
Email: MikeYamiolkoski@cs.com

I missed the opportunity to put in my opinions when #1 and #2 went around, so I'll catch up here:

#1: Esteemsters, Arts & Crass, Through a Lens Darkly, Partner’s Complaint, Fizz Ed.

WINNER: #301, Through a Lens Darkly

Daria showed some much-needed vulnerability, Aunt Amy was in it, and it was funny. Plus, I liked the twist where Brittany is the hero.

Loser: #501, Fizz Ed.

The plot was unbelievable, there were logical inconsistencies, and it was a lousy follow-up to IIFY.

#2: The Invitation, The Daria Hunter, The Old and the Beautiful, Antisocial Climbers, Sappy Anniversary

WINNER: #102 The Invitation

It set the tone for the entire series, and gave us a good look at what sort of people these characters were.

Loser: #302, The Old and the Beautiful

It just wasn’t quite as good as the others.

#3: College Bored, Quinn the Brain, Depth Takes a Holiday, A Tree Grows in Lawndale, Fat Like Me.

WINNER: #503, Fat Like Me. (Honorable mention to Quinn the Brain)

This one changed the whole dynamic of the Fashion Club, and made them more human.

Loser: #303, Depth Takes a Holiday

It’s obvious enough, isn’t it? But the reason I hated it was because this was when Daria dropped in status from “animated TV show” to “cartoon”. The whole thing was ludicrous.

- Mike Yamiolkoski

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Cimorene
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 216.23.14.170
Email: cimorene@mydaria.zzn.com
Link: http://www.angelfire.com/pq/renifererop

Best: It's a tie. I can't really pick between Quinn the Brain and Fat Like Me.
Worst: College Bored. I'm not enthused to watch that ep, A Tree Grows in Lawndale at least has a few amusing parts, and I've never seen DTAH (though it's probably the sort of thing I'd like).
~~~~~
"I say what it occurs to me to say when I think I hear people say things. More I cannot say."
-the man in the shack

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: sam
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 24.56.199.168
Email: samlincoln@mac.com
Link: http://www.cosmic-hippo.org

>Best: It's a tie. I can't really pick between Quinn the Brain and Fat Like Me.
>Worst: College Bored. I'm not enthused to watch that ep, A Tree Grows in Lawndale at least has a few amusing parts, and I've never seen DTAH (though it's probably the sort of thing I'd like).
>~~~~~

I've seen DTAH once, probably when it first aired or thereabouts, the end to be precise, and I think my basic reaction was, "What the hell was that?" This was back in my "Daria, yeah that's a cool show, i should remember to watch it." days.

-sam
"Mmmmm, curds."
-Michael Stipe

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Kara Wild
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 206.170.218.65
Email: kara_wild@hotmail.com
Link: http://www.the-wildone.com/index.html

>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:

Parts I liked: the college fantasies (Jane's especially), the Alanis Morisette look-alike who was the tour guide ("She's God's problem now, kid. Let's get out of here."), the dean's suggestion that Jake gamble for money to afford his kids' education, the yuppie friends who are prepping their kid for college practically from infancy. Some of that wicked humor would not find its way into later seasons.

>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.

It was one of the first episodes to treat Quinn as having a glimmer of awareness ("I really like the way this is getting to Daria."). My favorite parts were the Daria transformation scene at the end and the money reward scene after Quinn gets an A. However, unlike some people it seems, I did see the Daria switcheroo scene coming. It's been done before on other shows, and I remembered thinking: "This again?"

>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.

When I saw it, I didn't hate it, but I thought it was weird. It sort of produced a sinking feeling inside of me, along the lines of: "Geez, this show seemed to know its direction the first couple of seasons. Now its adrift" and "They've only got 13 episodes a season and they fill it with this?! A character development ep could have filled this slot!"

I think it's funnier and more biting than "Murder She Snored," even without the frame. It would have been better if Daria had livelier animation to incorporate, and if Daria's family and perhaps the whole town got enchanted by the holiday weirdness... similar to the town's reaction in "Once More, With Feeling" on _Buffy: The Vampire Slayer_.

>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:

Had its moments, and made Kevin seem almost interesting. Almost. But by then, and definitely by "The 'F' Word," he and Brittany were too overexposed to be watchable. It can't be an accident that they didn't show up very much in Season 5.

What disappointed me most was that Daria didn't mock the "loser town" sentiment more. That a town's value is measured by its high school football team is so ridiculous, it would have been a big fat beachball for her sarcastic barbs to puncture. Season 4 mature or not, she should still have been able to see stupidity for what it was.

>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:

I liked it, thought it came together very nicely. My only regret is that Quinn wasn't president of the FC for longer than 30 seconds.

My favorites are "Fat Like Me," a toss-up between "College Bored" and "Quinn the Brain," "Depth Takes a Holiday," and "A Tree Grows in Lawndale."

You know, it's really going to be difficult when we get to the 08's...
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"But there's something out there. Something stupid."
Daria, "The Lawndale File"

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: RedlegRick
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.105.39
Email: RedlegRick@aol.com

Helen- The fuzz?- Jake- We're* parents*now*police*good*missing daughters*bad. Made that ep happen
>>103- "College Bored" The Morgerdorffers head out to their old college, Middleton, when Daria and Quinn get that assignment in a college prep course. Daria starts writing papers for cash, Quinn attempts to join a fraternity party and becomes keg queen, Helen searches like mad for her girls, and Jake drives them there, and that's about all. A couple of good lines:
>
>Parts I liked: the college fantasies (Jane's especially), the Alanis Morisette look-alike who was the tour guide ("She's God's problem now, kid. Let's get out of here."), the dean's suggestion that Jake gamble for money to afford his kids' education, the yuppie friends who are prepping their kid for college practically from infancy. Some of that wicked humor would not find its way into later seasons.
>
>>203- "Quinn the Brain" Quinn gets a break on an essay, and everyone considers her a brain, so she jumps on it. Seeing how popular it makes her. I wouldn't be surprised if thi was the ep that got the notion of a possibly smarter Quinn that we've seen since IIFY? This s also the first time we see Daria with a figure of some kind, so we know she just hides it, not that she doesn't have one.
>
>It was one of the first episodes to treat Quinn as having a glimmer of awareness ("I really like the way this is getting to Daria."). My favorite parts were the Daria transformation scene at the end and the money reward scene after Quinn gets an A. However, unlike some people it seems, I did see the Daria switcheroo scene coming. It's been done before on other shows, and I remembered thinking: "This again?"
>
>>303- "Depth Takes a Holiday" The infamous episode. The episode which shall not be named. There are many names for it, usually bad ones. Though some people do like it and that's their perrogative, you either like it or don't> There seems to be absolutely no middle ground on this one at all. Talking holiday personifications, interdimensional wormholes, this makes almost every fanfic out there seem on canon when compared to that.
>
>When I saw it, I didn't hate it, but I thought it was weird. It sort of produced a sinking feeling inside of me, along the lines of: "Geez, this show seemed to know its direction the first couple of seasons. Now its adrift" and "They've only got 13 episodes a season and they fill it with this?! A character development ep could have filled this slot!"
>
>I think it's funnier and more biting than "Murder She Snored," even without the frame. It would have been better if Daria had livelier animation to incorporate, and if Daria's family and perhaps the whole town got enchanted by the holiday weirdness... similar to the town's reaction in "Once More, With Feeling" on _Buffy: The Vampire Slayer_.
>
>>403- "A Tree Grows in Lawndale" Kevin gets injured and considers giving up football, but then he wouldn't have his "babe" so he decides to rejoin. That's pretty much it in this ep. The whole town is a loser because the Lions are losers subplot was unrealistic, the only funny moments were:
>
>Had its moments, and made Kevin seem almost interesting. Almost. But by then, and definitely by "The 'F' Word," he and Brittany were too overexposed to be watchable. It can't be an accident that they didn't show up very much in Season 5.
>
>What disappointed me most was that Daria didn't mock the "loser town" sentiment more. That a town's value is measured by its high school football team is so ridiculous, it would have been a big fat beachball for her sarcastic barbs to puncture. Season 4 mature or not, she should still have been able to see stupidity for what it was.
>
>>503- "Fat Like Me" An episode that shows that no matter what they've been through, Quinn will try to help out Sandi, even if it was for her own reasons. Not too much to say with this one. The plot of Tiffany and Stacy trying to run the FC all by themselves was absolutely priceless. Daria and Jane's bidding war over the outcome of the FC's struggles would be. Even Jake's rants about his cohice of meat being cooked in his hamburgers was funny. Stacy's backbone shows up, finall, even if it's only Tiffany she tells off. Many great lines:
>
>I liked it, thought it came together very nicely. My only regret is that Quinn wasn't president of the FC for longer than 30 seconds.
>
>My favorites are "Fat Like Me," a toss-up between "College Bored" and "Quinn the Brain," "Depth Takes a Holiday," and "A Tree Grows in Lawndale."
>
>You know, it's really going to be difficult when we get to the 08's...
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>"But there's something out there. Something stupid."
>Daria, "The Lawndale File"

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Devilkitty
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 65.186.160.141
Email: urizen@telocity.com
Link: http://www.devilkitty.org/pindex.html

<snip>

>Parts I liked: the college fantasies (Jane's especially), the Alanis Morisette look-alike who was the tour guide ("She's God's problem now, kid. Let's get out of here."), the dean's suggestion that Jake gamble for money to afford his kids' education,

He wasn't suggesting Jake gamble - he was recommending borrowing money from the Mafia.

Bursar - I understand your feelings, Mr. Morgendorffer. Many of our parents experience similar sticker shock, if I may. (laughs) That's why I refer a lot of our parents to this institution. It's not a bank, but a family business that understands families. They can set you up with a cash loan on very agreeable terms.

Jake - What's this address?

Bursar - It's a candy store. That's their business. They sell candy. And make loans. Oh, and haul trash. They got a variety of interests, actually. You play the ponies, Jake?

Cash loan? "Very agreeable terms"? A candy store that makes loans? They haul trash? Variety of interests? A "family business that understands families"? Sounds like Gotti & Co. to me. The comment about the ponies was a reference to the old mob practice of bookmaking and fixing the occasional horse race.

<snip>
Charon's Price,
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C. L. Basso, K.C.S., M.Sc., Quinnophile and Monique Freque
Walled Lake, Michigan
He whose face gives no light, shall never become a star.
-Blake

>You know, it's really going to be difficult when we get to the 08's...

Hah! I think the 13's are gonna be the best comparison, myself!

"Write Where It Hurts" vs. "The Misery Chick" vs. "Jane's Addition" vs. "Dye! Dye! My Darling!" vs. "Boxing Daria"

No contest! ;D

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Robert Nowall
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 64.12.104.38
Email: RobtNowall@aol.com

>
>
>>You know, it's really going to be difficult when we get to the 08's...
>
>Hah! I think the 13's are gonna be the best comparison, myself!
>
>"Write Where It Hurts" vs. "The Misery Chick" vs. "Jane's Addition" vs. "Dye! Dye! My Darling!" vs. "Boxing Daria"
>
>No contest! ;D
>
>Thanks.

One thing about "Daria," they sure knew how to end a season...boy, the movie oughta be something...

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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: A.J.
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 209.240.222.132
Email: AJ1021@webtv.net

>
>
>>You know, it's really going to be difficult when we get to the 08's...

I was thinking that myself.

>Hah! I think the 13's are gonna be the best comparison, myself!

>"Write Where It Hurts" vs. "The Misery Chick" vs. "Jane's Addition" vs. "Dye! Dye! My Darling!" vs. "Boxing Daria"
>
>No contest! ;D
>
>Thanks.

No doubt that will be a toughie to decide as well. Both will be something.

Though on the flip side, wait til the 05's and 09's.

A.J.

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Tom/Jake/Jeffy: Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!, Whoomp! There it is!...
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Subject: Re: The 03 episodes.
Name: Shoebleu
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 172.166.255.38
Email: shoebleunmy@aol.com
Link: http://www.umich.edu/~nmy/daria/

Maybe I've been away from the board too long for anybody to read this still, but I'm casting my vote for 303 Depth Takes a Holiday. Why? Well, that episode utterly fails to make sense, but I keep wanting to watch it again. It's funny as hell, and it's kind of cool seeing Daria so unsettled. Best of all, it makes no excuses for itself whatsoever. It's not a dream, a musical, a misunderstanding, or an alien abduction. It's surreal. It's impossible. Period. And it's funny.

"i know i can't be the only whatever-i-am in the room"

Subject: OK, I'm votin' now :)
Name: Devilkitty
Date: Dec-31-1969 7:00pm
IP: 65.186.160.141
Email: urizen@telocity.com
Link: http://www.devilkitty.org/pindex.html

I guess I should send in my votes:
03s
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303: Depth Takes A Holiday. "Then repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show, I should really just relax.'"
203: Quinn the Brain. "Can you get me a soda?"
503: Fat Like Me. Sandi looked a lot better with a few more pounds on her nearly-emaciated frame. Stacy's spine makes a brief appearance.
403: A Tree Grows In Lawndale.
103: College Bored. Bored is right. Only LOL moment was Jake with the Bursar; the girl with the D. H. Lawrence paper looks a lot like someone I was in grad school with.

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Subj: Votes for 01 - 03 episodes
Date: 01/07/02 4:49:53 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Belle Book
To: Umeruh0000

I missed the chance to do these earlier, but I'll do it now.

Finally, I'm going to do the 03's (I'll do the rest in a later e-mail). Again, I didn't see the episode from Season 1 -- "College Bored", so I'll skip that. That leaves the other four episodes to choose from.

My pick is "Fat Like Me". It had so many great points. It showed that Quinn does care for Sandi after all. It had Daria and Jane meddle in the Fashion Club's affairs. It had Stacy get a backbone -- surely enough for someone to rate it highly. And it spelled the beginning of the end of Sandi's reign of tyranny.

My second choice is probably a surprise -- "Depth Takes a Holiday". I actually liked the episode, though not as much as FLM. It was a neat take on holiday specials of other shows, and I laughed quite a bit during the show. That's why the fact that so many people dislike this show so strongly completely floors me.

Third is "Quinn the Brain". It was the beginning of Quinn's development of some depth in the series -- or at least, the beginning of an attempt to appear deep. Doesn't matter much, it's progress.

Last is "A Tree Grows in Lawndale". It was a mess of an episode.

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